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PostPosted: Aug Mon 21, 2006 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoa yeah. I don't actually think our government could do that. Prolly more along the lines of don't wanna think. ha. Yeah, I'm not a big bush supporter, but something tells me that if it's the governments fault he was prolly not in on it. He couldn't handle that, because he's a "god fearing man" as my next door nieghbor would say.

Pertaining to 9-11, I did see in a few of the videos, puffs of smoke coming up from the bottom of the trade towers, they were large, as if some kind of charge had been detonated.
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PostPosted: Sep Thu 07, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Article I found on Paranormal News.com Reply with quote

Debunking 9/11 Conspiracies?

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Posted: 8/21/2006

POPULAR MECHANICS MAGAZINE EXAMINED 9/11 CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND CONSULTED EXPERTS FOR INDEPTH INVESTIGATION

Welcome to a condensed version of Popular Mechanicís coverage of 9/11 conspiracy theories, featuring PMís original article on the topic, published in the magazineís March, 2005 issue. The response to that article was so overwhelming, the magazine decided to greatly expand its investigation and publish a book on the topic, complete with in-depth reporting on new myths, and far more detailed analysis of the original.

That book, "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Canít Stand Up to the Facts", is now in stores.

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER

The collapse of both World Trade Center towers--and the smaller WTC 7 a few hours later--initially surprised even some experts. But subsequent studies have shown that the WTCís structural integrity was destroyed by intense fire as well as the severe damage inflicted by the planes. That explanation hasnít swayed conspiracy theorists, who contend that all three buildings were wired with explosives in advance and razed in a series of controlled demolitions.
MELTED STEEL

CLAIM: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800į to 1500įF, not hot enough to melt steel (2750įF). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didnít need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning
Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But Iíve seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100įF," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800į it is probably at less than 10 percent."

THE PENTAGON

At 9:37 am on 9/11, 51 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon was similarly attacked. Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon.

BIG PLANE, SMALL HOLES

CLAIM: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the
attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the buildingís exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagonís middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile--part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagonís exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasnít the hole as wide as a 757ís 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesnít punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagonís load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building,"

Sozen tells PM, "it didnít happen."

The tiny hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jetís landing gear, not by the fuselage.

FLIGHT 93

In February 2004, retired Army Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said on "The Alex Jones Show," a radio talk show broadcast on 42 stations: "It [Flight 93] was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93." LetsRoll911.org, citing de Grand-Pre, identifies the pilot: "Major Rick Gibney fired two Sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in midflight at precisely 0958."

FACT: Saying he was reluctant to fuel debate by responding to unsubstantiated charges, Gibney (a lieutenant colonel, not a major) declined to comment. According to Air National Guard spokesman Master Sgt. David Somdahl, Gibney flew an F-16 that morning--but nowhere near Shanksville. He took off from Fargo, N.D., and flew to Bozeman, Mont., to pick up Ed Jacoby Jr., the director of the New York State Emergency Management Office. Gibney then flew Jacoby from Montana to Albany, N.Y., so Jacoby could coordinate 17,000 rescue workers engaged in the stateís response to 9/11. Jacoby confirms the dayís events. "I was in Big Sky for an emergency managers meeting. Someone called to say an F-16 was landing in Bozeman. From there we flew to Albany." Jacoby is outraged by the claim that Gibney shot down Flight 93. "I summarily dismiss that because Lt. Col. Gibney was with me at that time. --Popular Mechanics Magazine

Our government is too incompetent to plan this conspiracy and too leaky to keep it secret. You have a right to your own opinion, but no right to your own facts.

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PostPosted: Sep Thu 07, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't even know what to believe anymore, Frank. I mean, we all know for a fact that our government is corrupt, but are they truely evil enough to master mind atrocities like this for the sake of establishing the new world order?

The thing that gets me is, these conspiracy theorists have made some SERIOUS allegations and they do have a lot of compelling evidence, which at least "seems" to support their claims. Yet, the majority of us never even hear about such things, nor are any of these allegations ever actually brought into the light or investigated by officials (that I know of anyway). On the other hand, if there is no truth to these conspiracy theories at all, why are people like Alex Jones never slapped with huge slander and libel lawsuits? Freedom of speach is one thing, but these are some serious accusations!

Bringing any truth into the light about or government is about like finding facts about ghosts. We just don't have any clue about what goes on behind closed doors. We do know one thing for sure though; Our privacy and freedom is slowly being taken away a little bit at a time, in the name of terrorism. Take "The Patriot Act" for example....

What if these conspiracy theorists are right?

- Aedryan
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PostPosted: Sep Thu 07, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are incorrect Aedryan, our freedoms and rights are being taken away due to our fear not terrorists. If people were not scared of death or their loved ones dying there would be no reason to close borders because the "terrorists" would not have the tool of terror at their disposal.
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PostPosted: Sep Tue 11, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't usually talk about politics or give my opinion on such matters. I have found that there are so many bleeding hearts out there and this being politicly correct life in the united states now going to be the down fall of my country as I know it. I'm old school with old fashion opinions . I've gotten ripped up and chewed out by voicing my opinions on other forums. So , I'll play nice here,as I am a newbie.

My youngest son believers in the 911 conspiracy. We work together so we've had many conversations on the topic. I've come to believe that he may be right. I'll have to ask him about a link that he showed me on the topic. I can't think of it at the moment.

We've talked about the Pentagon, he brings up a good point. If a plane went through the side of the building, why was the open so small? looks more like the size of a missile then a huge plane.

Also , on this site (link) they talk about just how the twin towers went straight down and the speed that it all happen. emploded maybe ?

Why were we allowed to see over and over again footage of the twin towers on that day and only a Brief shot at the Pentagon. There is some footage of the Pentagon that was shown on the day of the attack ,that was never shown again. Cover up?

Did anyone ever see any actually Plane parts at any of the three sites???


I was expecting to at least some kind of plane are parts of a plane ,when they showed the ever so Brief footage of the plane that went down in P.A. Just about any plane crash site has ,wheels ,seats, clothing, bits of the plane shrewed about the crash site. Did I miss some footage on this one.? Because all I saw was this long rut leading up to a mound of dirt.


So where are all these people that where on these planes that supposedly crashed. Could are own goverment concur all three events and convince it's people that it was an act of terrorism. Yes! We are a weak country and getting weaker with each new generation coming up. Our educationally system is failing our youth and has been for years. The standards have had to come down so that teachers could teach.

We have to be Politically correct anymore as to not offend those that are working to change the American way of life to suit theirs and the country that THEY came from.We can't say this and we can't say that! Are youth are rude ,ignorant, disrespectful,stupid, and don't want to work. They want it all and want to play while someone hands it to them. They are truely the CLUELESS GENERATION. Shh Whoops did I say that out load. Ok I'm getting on to another topic here . I will sit down now Wink




I believe we will never know the truth. But I also believe that Bush has all the answers. I believe he had his hand in it.Look at the different theories on this and take a look back into history.Hitler and Bush have both done the same thing to their people and their country. BUSH IS A LIAR and he will continue until this country wakes up and stands up and says "WE WILL NOT TAKE THIS ANYMORE" I believe it will take a civil war here in our own country to stop the directionin which our leaders are taking us. For them it's all about MONEY and CONTROL. Bush doesn't care about US! If you believe he does,then you just haven't opened your eyes yet to the truth!

So, it's late for me and I need to get to bed. Put I will check back in on this topic. I want to read the postings here and see what others think.

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PostPosted: Sep Sat 15, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While doing some research for a investigation ,I came across these links that coinside with #Aedryanís theory of government cover-ups. Check out these links for some very interesting theories.

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I know this is an old topic, but one that cannot be forgotten. I think all should check out Alex jones Endgame, www.prisonplanet.com or Especially video Loose game by Alex Jones. Most videos you can google or go to Alex Jones

But you must see. John
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PostPosted: Apr Sun 27, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should look for a video called loose change on google. Also try http://www.infowars.com/
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