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PostPosted: Apr Thu 06, 2006 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I couldn't tell you who or what it is. That would be up to whoever investigates the site.

Just a clarifying note: I am not implying that the marks are caused by the same thing that causes the Kirlian Effect. I used the kirlian photo to illustrate how the electricity would look surrounding the entities hand, hoof or whatever! Laughing
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PostPosted: Apr Thu 06, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I understood what you meant Frank and hopefully it won't happen again...if it does maybe I'll be able to get more info the next time..not looking forward to it but it would be nice to know why it happened if you know what I mean...hehehe I'm always up for the next crazy thing to happen to me...but I do live with the paranormal on a regular basis so...who knows what I'll encounter next..heeheehe....hopefully eventually I'll get the answers I need.... Thanks for your input though...
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PostPosted: Jul Wed 05, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked this is all very interesting
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PostPosted: Nov Fri 03, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well this one hasnt been touched in awhile, but i suppose i could give my two cents...

I fully believe that you can make a spirit leave even if he doesnt want to.. i have done so several times... there is only once i have been unsuccessful and that was the scariest haunting i have ever been involved in... and the most violent. But really all it takes is the slow spiritual ownership of a space... it can be tricky if one either doesnt believe or doesnt know what they are doing, but it still can be done. I dont know if any of you here have heard a technique of visualizing white light. The visual is not the important part, it is simply something for you to focus on. What you are actually doing is slowly pushing your innerself outward and pushing all other spiritual energy away. It is tricky to do, especially if you are more sensitive to the spiritual world than others.

The main danger in doing so is that you must keep a strong anchor in yourself, and not get "lost" so to speak. It is also a possession risk, but like i said, if you keep a strong anchor in yourself, and you know how to keep your "walls" up, then this technique will work. It is the same way i protct myself if i go into a particularly hostile environment.

I may sound like some kind of kook, but it does work if done properly. If anyone is interested in the time i couldnt do this... i'll post the story in the "ghost stories" section.
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PostPosted: Nov Fri 03, 2006 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WP,

With all that said, I don't think you are forcing anything out more than just closing them off to the prey (so to speak). Making them invisible to the predatory entity. No matter how many times I have seen the techniques or heard them described it always comes down to masking the client. You cannot force any being to leave a certain time/space if they don't want to but you can make it undesirable(sp) to stay.

"...visualizing white light...." is the most commonly used visualization there is, of course we have heard of it.Very Happy All you are doing with this technique is a diversion and redirection of the undesirable spirit. Leaving it more confused and pissed to latch on to the next wandering light (person) it encounters. You just made it someone elses problem instead of trying fixing the problem.
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PostPosted: Nov Fri 03, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Leaving it more confused and pissed to latch on to the next wandering light (person) it encounters. You just made it someone elses problem instead of trying fixing the problem.

LMFAO! ROFL As brilliantly as you put that, it's freakin' cracking me up, Frank!

Seriously though, my personal opinion about all of the old "how to get spirits to leave" and "protection" tactics is that they are more of a psychological defense than a magick or religious one.

If our emotional states do actually have any bearing on ghost activity then I would say, there is surely no harm in trying to remove fear and other negative emotions. I say, if it makes you "feel" safer or more at ease and you believe it works, then do it - why not!?

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PostPosted: Nov Sun 05, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well put Fratka, and while yes, i would agree with you normally, if i hadnt actually tested it... if i was in fact simply masking people from the "predatory" sense then it would not work for other people who come into the room later.

Secondly, the "white light" visualization isnt something you are supposed to direct at said entity... to do so would do as you say... simply piss it off. the visual is just something to focus your mind on while you are accomplishing the task. What you are really doing is useing the sense we all have to locate where said entity is. And yes, we all have it... there isnt one of y ou who cant tell me you didnt know you were around an entity and never knew it was there with out instumentation... The point of this is to locate the entity, and express through empathic means, that you do not want it here, it is not supposed to be here, and that you will push if need be. normally the threat is all that is needed... and like i said... this isnt an instant thing... at least ive never been able to do it instantly... But yes, you can force an entity to leave even if it does not wish to leave, all one must do is locate the entity and "expand" your self awareness to slowly encompass the entity, slowly forcing the entity to a small confined space. then you give it one out... out of the room. It doesnt really matter the physical spot, as spirits are rarely if ever stopped by physical barriers, but if you wish you may pick the door as the exit point. Once the entity is out of the area, you close off the area just as you did when you were trying to get rid of the entity. Normally they will try once more to get back in, and then they wont try again. There are some that are more "persistant" and will try to get back in whenever they can... if this occurs you simply have to renew said "barrier"...

I know i must sound like i am crazy, but it works for me, and ive done it in other places for people i know. But once again i do say that this isnt foolproof.. nothing ever is. I have only come across one that i couldnt remove... and that turned bloody... for me... but thats another story...
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PostPosted: Feb Tue 20, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello all
I am new here. So disagreeing with anything I say I take. This is where knowledge comes in. Makes one think.
So here goes
Has anything else happened to you? Do you hear scratching noises, growls, dark shapes or mist.
The reason for these questions ? When you are dealing with such things more then likely it is from the dark side. I do know never ever fear. Fear is like food.
If it were me what I would do is begin whith God. Have you tried the white light of protection? Cross they hate. Goodness laughter just as much. Paslms 23 reads well also. But if it is the dark side you have to have the house blessed my minster priest.
Spirits who have not crossed not demons you are in control. You have to be firm at all times. Ask for the Angels to help guide such soul to the light as well as you telling spirit that there is nothing here for them .
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PostPosted: Feb Tue 20, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, goodness! No matter what people think from any religion, there are certain truths when dealing with worlds and entities beyond our own. As I tell everyone I debate with..."it is not important whether you believe me, it is only important that you understand."

Some of the common truths:

1. there are no protections, like the physical world if someone wants to hurt you they will. See #3.

2. all spirits (to include yourself) are of the same makeup and only differ in conscious experiences

3. no entity has authority over another to include the one you call god. The reason for this is too complicated to explain here on this forum. This does not mean they cannot try to force their will upon you. It just means they and you have no authority.

4. the only constant is spiritual progression. You can only get wiser and gain more experience. Your progress can speed up or slow down depending on your attitude and spiritual resonance but it will never stop.

5. Human purpose is to evolve! Everything we experience, good or bad is designed to shape and mold us to perfection. All of us have a long road ahead of us!
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PostPosted: Feb Tue 20, 2007 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All very well put as always, brotha Frank! I hope you're right!

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PostPosted: Feb Tue 20, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can bet on it! 8)
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PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2007 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fratka
Thank you for your post.
You are a deep thinker and I like that.
The spirit I call God to me is an all powerful God. He is the top dog. Crude way to put it. He created everything. He does not control he loves. Ask and you shall receive. He is the start and everything in between comes down to us.
The white light of protection show's spirit and demons where you stand. You are with God. Oh sure evil can try but I know Angels are there to call upon to fight along with you. I do not fear spirits I fear (mankind). Spirits that have crossed over to the light are of God. And that is love.
Control? God allows us to make our own choices weather it be good or bad. God does not control but helps when asked. Control is only allowed if you let it.
We are here to learn for the glory of God. I am not saying control spirit but to let them know things they do are not allowed. They have no power over us.
I have come upon demon. I heard it's growl. Not a pleasent thing to hear. But I did not fear. I know they can attack but I also know it can be stopped.
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PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Jackie. I like to trigger thought in myself and others. To me nothing is more enjoyable than a rational exchange of thoughts and a few drinks. Laughing

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I take issue with this common misconception. Creation did not happen, instead it is happening. It was not a single event that had an ending point.

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No, your character shows other entities where you stand. Character is a combination of attitude and your universal outlook. Your spiritual resonance is what allows others to interact with you. Imagining white light or telling someone who you are is not necassary. In spirit you cannot disguise who and what you are and like will attract like. Other entities can read you instantly!

Power and control is an illusion!
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PostPosted: Feb Wed 21, 2007 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To your post before last LOL I raise my glass to you.
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PostPosted: Mar Thu 01, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well after living with the '' living impaired.'' for a little over two years now, I have learned that getting rid of them is not an option. We have had the house smudged, blessed, and any other thing you can think of. NOTHING has worked and somethings made the activity much worse. What I have learned is not to get all freaked out over every little noise. I have pretty much come to the conclusion I am TAKING my house back. In the middle of the night when they like to stomp around the house and slam doors we just kindly tell them we are trying to sleep and would appreciate it if they could be a little quieter. OK sometimes we don't put it so nicely. I have found that this works more then anything else. The other day I was fixing my face in the bathroom and the door slammed on me. This used to scare the crap outta me. Now it just pissed me off.
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